I’d like to see a review with the two saws using the same blade for the same cut and compared. A follow on question regarding the DeWalt track. One thing to remember for those of you comparing just the saw prices- dust collection has a cost as well if you don’t own it already. That’s rare in this day and age. It's still WAY better than a regular circular saw. There was not a big amount of play in the blade when he moved it around. Just wondering if you received a reply back from Adrian or Dewalt (Adrian, June 5 comment). I cut several 8 inch full length pieces using this rather than moving to the table saw. Well done on the review, i usually spend a lot of time reading reviews and lurking in forums before i go out and buy something, having said that, video reviews of tools? You can with DeWALT’s design; here, you have to turn and hold the knob to release the pawl whenever you set the saw on the track or want to back it up. I no longer have the saw in my possession so I can’t check for you. He will have a better look at it this week and get back to me. My wife sometimes says that for this much money they ought to do job on their own :). Did you notice if the saw had a grinding or vibration to it when in operation. I hope this review is helpful. The attachment works with both Dewalt routers and Porter Cable routers. Since I used the TS75 for comparison, I was running a 36 tooth ATB blade. :) Its certainly a capable saw, and I tried to be as “fair” as possible in my presentation. Professional Power Tool Guide Review And two its cheaper. LOL….I actually use cardboard toilet paper rolls, cut it and use electrical tape to make a good enough adapter for my ShopVac. I understand your point about maybe looking toward the Festool line if you are building your tool collection. The saw is made so the track is on the workpiece and the cut off is outside the track, now, usually you are cutting a small piece off of a bigger piece, so it is usually more comfortable and sensible to stand on the cut-off side, and the direction of travel of these saws make it so you really need to operate them with your LEFT hand. I bought this saw because I hate corded tools and I was tired of crooked cuts from my DIY circular saw guide. China? Milwaukee M18 2630-20 18 Volt Lithium Ion Cordless Circular Saw tf, hello, do you have a video download option, I teach high school woodworking, would love to show how to videos to students but filters block your site, thanks. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. I'd rather be able to make precise, splinter-free cuts in full length high-grade wood. (white with an antenna or mic) I’m in the market and didn’t see one like that. There are some new kids in the block, and DeWalt isn’t only one. But I definitely have a strong personal preference for the Festool system. Reviewed in the United States on August 14, 2018. It has become my job site saw. Great review, even handed and the disclaimer humorous yet honest. well said. I love working with wood and this is very difficult machines to facilitate the work. I have the same noise from my saw (new saw), it sounds like ice in a blender at start up and on cuts. Sorry Neel. A pricy but good tool for a single person shop the uses plywood. We CNC machine our own adapter plates, set up jigs, and various other tidbits and accessories for our product lines. I have a Dewalt and im very happy with it. Best Cordless Circular Saw Reviews for 2020 Cordless has come a long way since the early days of lithium-ion power. But there is one thing that I noticed were DeWalt might have an advantage is if you need to trim the bottom of a door without taking them off the frame. Because the saw fits into the track, it just has to be pushed, not pushed and directed like you have to on the homemade versions. I am looking for a punge saw and track. Well, I haven’t tested it thoroughly or anything, but the DeWalt does fit the Festool track. Reviewed in the United States on December 30, 2018. I appreciate your real world advice. The saw has tons of power and just eats right through wood so it can go about as fast as you want to push the saw on the track. During my tests though, I saw nothing that indicated the track would be a problem in any way. Looked at some other products, tested some (i.e., the Kreg is a toy, don't bother...), but non were as good for the price (Festool is quality, but really not that much better for about 3x more $$). As for the tracks, two separate tracks is the more practical way to go. I arrived last week just before I hade to depart to the lovely below freezing Flagstaff AZ, must say the snow is nice now and then. Works pretty well. The "zero clearance" feature of the track it's nice, but not perfect. There's a problem loading this menu right now. I really like the plunge action on my DeWalt, but I like the (look of) the various squares, parallel guides etc that seem to be available for the Festool rails. Ummm .. wrong link for the High Res video ? Thousands of customer product reviews. So even if you buy a DeWalt track saw, if the Festool saw blades fit, buy one, they are worth the extra buck. Thanks again! With hours in the shop and critical analysis of each saw’s features and performance we are providing readers with a comprehensive look at each saw’s bright-spots and areas for improvement. I think going to buy here encrivel this machine. Nope, never received an update or any further information Robert. I’m interested in using the DW tracksaw in the shop. Cordless Track Saw - Zero clearance TrackSaw(TM) cutting system delivers straight, splinter-free, precise cuts On track cut depth: 2-1/8" @90 degrees and 1-5/8" @ 45 degrees ; depth of cut scale accurately accounts for thickness of track Continuous anti-kickback mechanism and riving knife prevent kickback when engaged Straight plunge mechanism for optimal I love Makita tools but the DeWalt Track saw has more metal parts, seems much more solid, robust, better ergonomics and fells like it has a higher build quality. Interesting that it looks like the Dewalt is too and I noticed you steadied both saws on the track with your left hand on the base. If these saws we exact mirror images they’d be perfect. Reviewed in the United States on November 10, 2018. “Mug looks masculine” I had to point out that One of them is more powerful at 6 Ah, whereas the other is only 4 Ah. Also makes a grinding noise sometimes during cuts, and the other day it died. I ended up getting the Makita one on a deal at internationaltools.com. Thanks for the very helpful review. But if you are looking for a saw that makes extremely safe and clean cuts with good dust collection, either saw will fit the bill. I read above that the Makita was $125 less, but the only thing I could find for that price was the saw by itself, no rail. One thing that I like with the Festool universial saw blade (W48) is its durability. The Festool is $450. Can you tell us about the clamping of the track to the workpiece. And although I have the tool in the shop, don’t count on seeing it in an episode of the show any time soon. I have a TS 55 and I see the Dewalt is the same in that it is seemingly made for Lefties. One of the best tools in its class, the Makita SPJ6000J1 612inch Plunge Circular … The panels are just too tall for my SCMS or TS miter gauge. Just kidding. Dewalt has come out with a router attachment that can be used with the tracksaw track. After the first few uses it locked up and wouldn’t plunge so I disassembled and lubed a few things up. Dewalt has managed to achieve (a) with the introduction of their track saw. Free returns. DEWALT vs. Makita Cordless Track Saw Review 1. I currently have it in the repair shop. In response to your last post, I replaced the saw the same month. Would a standard circuolar saw with a good blade give you just as good a cut? Really good review. There are many details that can be created on variousmaterial including baseboard lengths with its highly adjustable cutting- depth system. I just don’t see myself spending anywhere near “Festool” money for a DeWalt saw. If you process a lot of sheetgoods, you could very well do without the tablesaw. I’ll try that next time, but it would be great if the manufacturers could come up with a mechanism to lock the base onto the track to keep it from tipping. No doubt. Thanks! Is there something inherently better about a track? However it feels as though something is wrong with the noise and vibration with this saw. A track saw is a versatile tool, and you can use it without the track, just like a circular saw. Its cast aluminum base and solid guard looks robust. Truthfully though, when will someone make one of these that is made for RIGHTIES? Add the fact that pricing is similar, it does not make too much sense either for either a current Festool user or even a new track saw user to buy the Dewalt. As we mentioned earlier, the most common DEWALT cordless chainsaws come with different batteries. Its only relevant as long as the pricing doesn’t change, :). The DEWALT DCS520T1 Flex Volt 60V Max utilizes 60 volts capacity of its battery pack which operates a brushless motor. The cordless DCS520 plunge saw is one of our most asked for reviews. I just need a panel solution, no shop solution. The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. Any product claim, statistic, quote or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider or party in question. Easier, but slower, due to setting the track each time. I don’t really have any feedback on that. Also, a track stops the saw from drifting and keeps it moving along a perfectly straight line. I apppreciate the honesty with which you approached it. Here are a few other reviews and comparisons that you might want to check out: By the way. DeWalt DWS520KR Review: best track saw if money were no object Being one of the most expensive saws on this list, I was looking for superior build and quality. Both look like great tools. Quite honestly, if the review came out with the Festool leaps and bounds ahead, I would have definitely been suspect. This is from the previous Adrian post, not the latest, however I echo Adrian’s sentiments. Hey Marc, nice review. Here is my review of the DeWalt Tracksaw, FINALLY! That way your dust collection is easily adaptable. The Makita SP6000J offers a 12 amp motor, which puts it … And not to mention, it seems like the engineers at Festool have dust collection on their minds from day 1, across their entire tool line. Noise cancelling? And I was the one filming the damn thing! What makes a track better than a streight edge (wood or metal)? 1 trade catalogue. I used it to build a few floating shelves and even with the only 56" track I found that I could complete ¾ of a 76” cut and then line up the track with the back half of the cut to finish it up and it all lined up perfectly! Is that a pink feather boa in the background of the intro? The clamps actually hook into the track from below. Lastly, I just found out that in Europe, it is common practice for cabinetmakers / remodellers to do the construction of cabinets and built-ins on-site; as opposed to building in a shop and then delivering the full blown products for installation. Thanks for watching man and I appreciate the kind words. The DeWalt DCS387B can be bought in the following two options – the reciprocating saw on its’ own, and a package which includes both the saw and additional blades. Thi… - 01ntrain but ten years from now the corded saw will still work as good as it did before… have the Dewalt corded also and love it just which the replacement zero clearance rubber strips were cheaper Prime members enjoy FREE Delivery and exclusive access to music, movies, TV shows, original audio series, and Kindle books. NOT ACCURATE DEFEATS THE PURPOSE EXTREMELY SHORT BATTERY USAGE, Reviewed in the United States on September 26, 2019. I used google translator to understand what they comment on the saw, and after the completion of which you, the DeWalt is better or not? Once again another great video and review. If not, then wouldn’t the results depend as much or more on the blade as on the saw itself? I am in the market for a track saw. I stand corrected.thanks for the fast reponse.always nice to know that you do read these things. He said it sounds like gear wash. While that’s a good safety feature, I wish you could lock it out when you want to. Nice review. Festool TS 55 REQ Track Saw. I think the pink boa goes well with the stylish coffee mug. If you are trying to make a decision between these two saws, you will probably need to look at bigger picture things like price, system approach, warranty, and interoperability with other tools. I've now been using for 7 months and could not be happier. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. Did DeWalt give it to you, lone it to you, or did you buy it? I would imagine the manufacturer has an “ideal” setting published somewhere. Well done, and thank you. When I need to cut something with a track, I usually reach for the Festool since its already set up and ready to go. A couple of sawhorses .. sheet of styro .. plunge router and workstops .. wahla. They are light, easy to transport, set up is quick and easy, and they produce extremely accurate cuts. Your view on having to look at the big picture is right on. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. Why would you get a cleaner cut with a track than with a streight edge? http://www.mafell.de/produktka.....038;xtree= I both enjoy and find your reports educational. l still get chipout on the top of some thin veneer plywood. Personally, I don't see the point in a cordless track saw, as mines always connected to my first extractor. I found out that PANASONIC actually has blades that cut steel and has a diameter of 165mm- the same as the dewalt track saw. (b) is a lot harder to achieve, as it requires the availability of an existing portfolio of tools and inter-working accessories. Bosch’s tiny cutline notches prove more difficult to see and track along a cutline. Imagine if saw is mirrored. I appreciate your balanced approach comparing Dewalt & Festool. I was very disappointed in DeWalt’s pricing for this saw, it’s within range of the Festool which is already a great saw. :). The saw was actually given to me. Though when we first bought it that we'd rarely use it. Hi Marc, Great review. Nice review, especially the part that I consider to be a spoof of Wayne’s World when Garth has all the Reebok stuff on, hehe. Hi Marc. The views and opinions expressed on this blog are purely our own. I bought my Dewalt from Amazon and when I started it, it felt like something was wrong with the bearing or bushing. But if money isn’t a major restriction I’d prefer to have one long track and one shorter track. Once the initial setup was finished on the tool I was completely blown away by how much easier it was to cut plywood sheets! The aluminum extrusions for our Track Saw Kits, Table Kits, and Router Gantry System are manufactured in either Cincinnati or Youngstown, Ohio. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Select the department you want to search in, Reviewed in the United States on November 13, 2018. This is something that its competitors have yet to demonstrate in the marketplace. Track Saws DEWALT® offers jobsite professionals a full line of reciprocating saws that meet ever cutting need. Required fields are marked *. A track saw will go … I’m willing to spend more than the $15-20 for a basic set but I just didn’t see anything that looked worth it. I found a representation in Brazil by Festool. No need to recut on the table saw. I also got to rip some 1x12 boards to 2 ½” strips and it was so smooth that it felt like a sanded surface on the cut path. Thanks! And most folks who already have several Festool components, I imagine, would also go for the TS55 or TS75. It took abit to get use to. I have one question for Marc, how close is the riving knife supposed to be to the blade and is there a chance for it to be caught on the blade? You should get incredibly clean cuts in MDF, with either saw. For me, it confirmed my decision. Both saws have a 47 degree bevel capacity and use a 6.5″ saw blade. I know the Festool always sounds a little odd if you never heard it before. Why would I buy a saw that costs the same when there is already a saw out there with a proven track record and, according to Mr. Woodwhisperer himself, makes a superior cut? Marc, All of our videos are downloadable via the download links right above the video player. You might have discussed the pricing on these two tools. The grinding/vibration noise and feel went away. However, I’ve had great luck with my Dewalt circular saw (a real workhorse). Things have changed since then and I believe the DeWalt has come down in price. Very informative an inspirational. I sent mine back to Amazon for a replacement. As an owner of a TS75 today, I’ll just continue along my merry path of building up my Festool portfolio (if and when I have the cash to do so! You kinda look like Manu Ginobili :). Also who all now make track saws. Hello, Answer me one thing. If you find yourself reading this review for the love of God get the Makita. I would buy this again, especially having had the opportunity to compare it to the Makita cordless track saw side by side. Till then, Festool will continue to increase customer awareness in the marketplace, and their presence can only get more pervasive anyway. Nice job Marc. The big thing that I don t like about my Dewalt Track Saw is the cord, it s a bit unwieldy at times. I have cut plaster boards, slate tiles, minerit boards and aluminium (and by accident some screws). I have the dewalt track saw ad Ive been thinking about getting a festool dust extractor. Dimensions 12.2 x 11.5 x … SP6000K? DeWalt fanboys, this one's for you. I’ve read that the Dewalt is compatible with the Festool track; have you tried this yet, if so what was your experience? Looking for some info. really enjoy watching your show on youtube. No wonder we keep coming bact to TWW for knowledge and entertainment. use of the metric system really has me leaning towards Dewalt. All content on The Wood Whisperer is copyrighted, and may not be reprinted in full form without my written consent. But, if you are like me and already have several other brands of tools like Porter Cable routers you may lean toward the Dewalt. If you clamp a track to a door you can get very close to the floor with DeWalt saw, but not with a Festool. What is your opinion on this? In this review of a DeWalt track saw vs Makita we will take a look at the best selling model for each of the two brands. But I am currently building a slant-front secretary, and am stuck trying to cut the angled sides. No update to give. Dewalt track has just one slot in order to allow you to cut either direction on the track. Conventional wisdom would dictate that the 48 tooth blade would cut smoother (all things being equal). Been needing a sheet goods cutting solution that was flexible, easy to use, set up, accurate and cost effective, and this DeWalt is spot on. Also it’s pretty new to the market so chances are good that new accessories will become available in the future. Would you recommend getting one of these tools in place of a contractor grade table saw? I’m glad you did it the way you did. Love the safety features! One cannot get a straight edge on the rubber, so one cannot just align the track along the desired cut line. Took of the housing and ran the saw with a new blade and still had the same issue. Your email address will not be published. I finally did and love it and I am sure I would have been just as happy with the Festool. Any info. You concluded with comments on the benefits of the Festool system; if one were able to purchase a DW at a discounted price and use it with the Festool System it would seem to be a win win situation, right? ONe guy tried it and reported that this method worked better ON HIS FESTOOL than the zero clearance ‘green thingy’. Hey Mark.. hi Marc, The plastic extrusions for the anti-chip edges are manufactured in Peebles, Ohio. Love all that you do for the woodworking community. Let me sum it all up by saying you need to be really picky to find distinctions that will make a real difference to the average woodworker. Great timing on this video. Keep up the great work. hi, I live in Brazil and here has this saw from Dewalt, which is a shame because a lot missing. : by the way, I am not a marketeer, just a geeky engineer who likes to cut wood. How is the dust control on the dewalt compared to the festool. Bought this to break down full plywood sheets to manageable sizes for my table saw. My miter saws, drills, impact drivers, oscillating tools, jig-saws, brad nailers, grinders, portable table saws..., yes all of that stuff is DeWALT, and I've always been very pleased with their stuff. Currently (3/2015) the Dewalt is available for about $130 to $150 less than the Festool, so I’ve opted for the Dewalt. And fortunately, I rarely, if ever, use a clamp with either system. It was informative nonetheless! All saws are made for lefthanders! The frestool cuts and MDF wood, not leaving those corners brittle? Especially given the price they’re asking for that Dewalt. In theory, there shouldn’t be a problem with a kerf pinching on plywood, but I’ve had my circular saw bind at the end of a cut and the track + riving knife ought to prevent that. The saw cut through plywood great though even with the issue. Also they do have a universal router base that doesn’t require you to be one branded. Hi Marc, The Dewalt demo guy in TWW Episode 61 about 10:20s into the vid talks and shows the router attachment. I like the drop down feature when cutting. Please make sure that you are posting in the form of a question. Thanks so much. I like that it has it own storage kit and it cordless!!! Were you using the 27mm or the 36mm festool hose?? Now only makes the grinding noise, motor doesn’t spin and it trips the breaker. I am going to purchase a DEWALT tracksaw but I have been reading that the festool track is better and was wondering if the longest length would be long enough to rip 8′ lengths of plywood with ease? Reviewed in the United States on September 10, 2017, This saw is great I love it I use it on a daily basis to in stall cabinets. I know its more money but it seems to have a few nice features compared to the Festool. The blade cuts through this strip on the first fun and provides a nice clean and splinter-free cut. You do a great job of communicating in your reviews and also the how to portions of your website. I feel better clamping the track down with the dewalt track clamps before cutting, but I have cut just relying on the non skid material on the track without issues. from anyone on what causes the noise will be appreciated. A tool that plays well within it’s own family is great but a tool that is versatile enough to play well with several brands may also have to be a consideration. The DeWalt DCS520B is no exception, and this track saw looks the part. The cordless version runs on a 28VLithium Ion battery. 12 amp motor, depth control (up to 2-1/8), and the bevel control. I bought this tool not knowing if it was a sometimes tool or would actually be worth the purchase price. Mike Heidrick’s Comparison on Sawmill Creek JJ. 99% of woodworkers I know want to know if the tools does what the manufacturers say it’s going to do and what, if any are the differences with other similar products. When I see the machines that you have in your country, I am amazed. But with a plunge saw track clamped to the work piece on the right angle, I could easily solve that problem. The saw has all of the standard features and controls found on a circ saw. The benefit is two-fold: less exposed blade is certainly safer and DeWalt claims the shroud allows a 90% dust extraction capability when attached to a dust collector. Sorry. The Wood Whisperer is proudly sponsored by brands that Marc trusts. Thanks for being honest about being biased. What do you think of the Festool Vs Mafell? The corded and cordless reciprocating saws have the power and performance to stand up to even the toughest jobs. Anyway – thanks for the reply and keep up the great work. DeWalt Flexvolt Track Saw Review Track saws are much more than just a circular saw with a straight edge. Great job on all the videos, education and safety tips. Dad, meet the rail-guided saw--the next generation of portable circular saw. Weight 9.92 pounds. Top subscription boxes – right to your door, DEWALT 60V MAX Track Saw Kit with 59-Inch Track, 6-1/2-Inch (DCS520ST1), See all details for DEWALT 60V MAX Track Saw Kit with 59-Inch Track, 6-1/2-Inch (DCS520ST1), © 1996-2020, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. DeWalt Cordless Circular Saw Review 2019 – 2020 DeWalt 18V Cordless Circular Saw The DeWalt brand has been around the block a few times when it comes to providing top quality products for their consumers so they know a thing or two when it comes to top quality cordless circular saws. P.S. Great Video. I also bought the 104" single piece track. Taiwan? Hey Adrian. You can still see all customer reviews for the product. DEWALT 20V MAX Barrel Grip Jigsaw is our 3rd pick for the list. Marc, another great video/review. What’s the bottom line? I was just wondering if this should be expected from this type of saw. However, given the impact that Festool has made thus far, I’m sure that they are fervently working on that as we speak. Oh yes. Track Saw Comparison Results Here at A Concord Carpenter we took a hard look at the major Track Saw models on the market to see how they “lined up”. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think I ever stated that the blade in the Festool was used. It will be interesting to see how this product will compete…. Best Cordless Track Saw Comparison – Head-To-Head Track saws make long, precise cuts more quickly and with greater precision than table saws or circular saws. If one company supplies a smoother-cutting blade with their saw, that would certainly be something to keep in mind with your purchase since that last thing you want to do with a brand new saw is spend another $80 on a high quality blade. Did you ever figure out what’s wrong with yours? To me, this could possibly make the difference when it comes to how clean the cuts are. 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